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>> i think this is a very risky move by the nra. they have taken a pretty hard line, you know, that news conference with wayne lapierre and in their comments since, and ron's covered a lot of campaigns, as have i. i think this may be the toughest, not quite sure what the right word is, edgeiest ad i have seen by a mainstream advocacy group or political campaign in my memory, because we do think of the kids of the president as being largely off-limits. the obamas don't put them forward in this debate and i think that probably makes a lot of americans uncomfortable. if they wanted attention, well, they succeeded in that. >> well, meantime, the president is going to announce several proposals for congress to consider. among them, universal background checks on gun buyers anywhere, including trade shows, harsher penalties for gun sellers who don't do those checks, a ban on high capacity ammunition magazines and that renewed assault weapons ban. i'm wondering, ron, is this a liberal base wish list or is the president going to fight this
>> i think this is a very risky move by the nra. they have taken a pretty hard line, you know, that news conference with wayne lapierre and in their comments since, and ron's covered a lot of campaigns, as have i. i think this may be the toughest, not quite sure what the right word is, edgeiest ad i have seen by a mainstream advocacy group or political campaign in my memory, because we do think of the kids of the president as being largely off-limits. the obamas don't put them forward in...
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the nra leadership represents the gun industry. the capitol management and remington smith and wesson and bushmast bushmaster. that's where the money comes from. the nra members pay $35 to be a member and it costs $100 for the membership. that's a loss leader. it's just so the nra leadership can say we have numbers, but it's the gun industry who is unregulate and gives tens of millions to the nra and buying off congress. it's time for congress to find their backbone. >> it is a point i'm happy you made regarding gun manufacturers and the amount of money they put into the everyday moms and dads that they like to refer to. thank you very much for your time. it's a pleasure. a 15-year-old high school band majorette performed at somebody president obama's festivities has become a latest shooting victim. she was shot in the back tuesday in a park. authorities say she was one of about a dozen teens standing under a canopy during heavy rain when a man ran towards the fence and opened fire. a teen boy was also shot in the lug. he belonged
the nra leadership represents the gun industry. the capitol management and remington smith and wesson and bushmast bushmaster. that's where the money comes from. the nra members pay $35 to be a member and it costs $100 for the membership. that's a loss leader. it's just so the nra leadership can say we have numbers, but it's the gun industry who is unregulate and gives tens of millions to the nra and buying off congress. it's time for congress to find their backbone. >> it is a point i'm...
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the nra has opposed background checks for sales at gun shows. the nra and other elements of the gun lobby are the groups that have kept the federal government from having a comprehensive database on gun owners. they have even stopped the cdc from doing research on gun violence. that's how far they've moved, and i think there's another element of this we have to discuss, chris. i would be remiss if i didn't point out that it's no coincidence that some of this crazy, over the top paranoia started with the election of a black president. >> how so? connect. >> let's remember that in 2008 obama had campaigned for his first election being afraid to mention the words gun and law in the same paragraph. he never said a single thing about gun control, gun safety laws. yet when he was elected, gun stores sold out of guns. gun stores sold out of ammunition because the gun lobby had persuaded them that this guy is coming for your guns. they're already paranoid, extremist -- >> let's get to that overlay. >> they don't like progressive, democratic administrati
the nra has opposed background checks for sales at gun shows. the nra and other elements of the gun lobby are the groups that have kept the federal government from having a comprehensive database on gun owners. they have even stopped the cdc from doing research on gun violence. that's how far they've moved, and i think there's another element of this we have to discuss, chris. i would be remiss if i didn't point out that it's no coincidence that some of this crazy, over the top paranoia started...
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how badly did the nra hurt you in pennsylvania where the nra is king? >> well, we've always had healthy respect for nra and the second amendment, but it's pretty clear to me that after that vote they were able to harness some considerable opposition to my candidacy, which, obviously, as organized as it was, i managed to prevail, and one of the challenges i think the nra needs to confront -- and i'm -- i want to protect the second amendment rights as well, but you take a look at every constitutional amendment, and there are legitimate restrictions and modifications. the best example i can give everybody is freedom of speech. absolutely, but it's not universal. you cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. the right to bare arms under the second amendment allows us to -- is a constitutionally protected right, but, i mean, how far do you go? i think as a veteran and i dare say if you ask any veteran who has used an assault weapon in combat or trained with it, whether or not they think their next door neighbor as well-intentioned as they are needs to be able t
how badly did the nra hurt you in pennsylvania where the nra is king? >> well, we've always had healthy respect for nra and the second amendment, but it's pretty clear to me that after that vote they were able to harness some considerable opposition to my candidacy, which, obviously, as organized as it was, i managed to prevail, and one of the challenges i think the nra needs to confront -- and i'm -- i want to protect the second amendment rights as well, but you take a look at every...
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the nra was saying if we don't have this bill then gun companies will go bankrupt but that's not true. we need to go forward and correct this and hagel could take a really important step in doing that by going forward and saying the pentagon is reversing its position on this. >> sam kleiner from slate. people can read the article. it's fascinating. thank you so much. something we didn't think about what's going on now on capitol hill, the hearing that is ongoing for chuck hagel. that is going to wrap up this how. i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. good morning, thomas. >> hi, chris. good morning to you. good morning, everybody. we will continue following what's taking place in washington, d.c., right now. on the agenda much more of chuck hagel facing critics, republican and democrat and what are the odds of him getting confirmed? we have an all-star lineup for you, host of "the ed show" will join me, the co-host of "the cycle" will be here and one of hagel's staunchest supporters, john kerry. police taking out the underground bunker where a 6-year-old boy is being held host
the nra was saying if we don't have this bill then gun companies will go bankrupt but that's not true. we need to go forward and correct this and hagel could take a really important step in doing that by going forward and saying the pentagon is reversing its position on this. >> sam kleiner from slate. people can read the article. it's fascinating. thank you so much. something we didn't think about what's going on now on capitol hill, the hearing that is ongoing for chuck hagel. that is...
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the nra wants to protect the rights of hunters to hunt, okay. but when they say, we can't limit the size of an ammunition clip to some sensible number, that we can't check to make sure that an escaped murderer can't go to a gun show and buy a gun or a homicidal maniac can't go to a gun show and buy a gun, that's not sensible anymore, and most americans i think reject that and if they speak out their legislators will reject this. >> roger simon, thank you very much. we really appreciate you joining me. >> thank you. >>> debate is under way on the house floor for aid for victims of superstorm sandy but the house is at odds over how to pay for the bill. lawmakers from states impacted took to the floor earlier to make impassioned pleas. >> my constituents, the constituents of the northeast, they're not just whining. they're not just uncomfortable. they are devastated! >> there's simply no reason for the delay unless you believe that when disaster strikes we are all on our own. >> the time for recriminations is over. let's stand together as americans
the nra wants to protect the rights of hunters to hunt, okay. but when they say, we can't limit the size of an ammunition clip to some sensible number, that we can't check to make sure that an escaped murderer can't go to a gun show and buy a gun or a homicidal maniac can't go to a gun show and buy a gun, that's not sensible anymore, and most americans i think reject that and if they speak out their legislators will reject this. >> roger simon, thank you very much. we really appreciate...
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the nra was notoriously unsuccessful in the last election term. i create a little pac, and we went against four nra members, in three cases the opponent won. you can beat the nra. >> while the white house task force led by vice president joe biden is considering an array of measures to combat the problem, including reinstating the assault weapons ban, banning high capacity magazines, requiring background and mental health checks, opponents to any changes in the nation's gun laws are using a familiar refrain. >> within minutes we saw politicians run out and try to exploit this tragedy, try to push their political agenda of gun control. >> meanwhile, the chief obstacle to any weapons reform of any kind ever, the nra, stands by this prescription. >> the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> on the first day of the 113th congress no fewer than eight gun control bills were introduced, but the
the nra was notoriously unsuccessful in the last election term. i create a little pac, and we went against four nra members, in three cases the opponent won. you can beat the nra. >> while the white house task force led by vice president joe biden is considering an array of measures to combat the problem, including reinstating the assault weapons ban, banning high capacity magazines, requiring background and mental health checks, opponents to any changes in the nation's gun laws are using...
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but the nra is a fearsome political lobby. members particularly in the republican party are terrified of being primaried. this issue is often covered through a partisan prism when it should be looked at through a regional prism. if you talk about democrats in the south, in the mountain west, and places like north dakota, and you saw the new saar heidi heitkamp come out and she thinks some of the proposals coming out of the white house are way too extreme for her. so you'll have republican senators like mark kirk in illinois who have been open in the past on issues like assault weapons bans, and you'll have democrats in the west, the mountain west and the rural south that will be absolutely opposed to it. and as you said earlier, though it is nonsense, and i'm certainly a person who believes that you can be a second amendment supporter, and also have sensible regulations on guns, but this issue plays out on the extremes, on the absurd binary choice that has defined the issue for so long. >> and that analysis, what you said ther
but the nra is a fearsome political lobby. members particularly in the republican party are terrified of being primaried. this issue is often covered through a partisan prism when it should be looked at through a regional prism. if you talk about democrats in the south, in the mountain west, and places like north dakota, and you saw the new saar heidi heitkamp come out and she thinks some of the proposals coming out of the white house are way too extreme for her. so you'll have republican...
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show moderation you get your nra badge ripped off you. agree to any rule on gun safety and you're marked as a traitor for life. today some of the top people in the republican party, the people to watch, marco rubio, rand paul, ted cruz are right out there front in opposing president obama on gun safety. so what happened? why is the gop, the party of guns over people? our guests are congresswoman carolyn mccarthy, a democrat of new york, and cynthia tucker, a pulitzer prize winning columnist. thank you both for joining us. you have been in this fight for so long, congresswoman mccarthy. i have to ask you, is there something out there in the water that's changed or are we confronting the old power of the nra? >> well, certainly we are confronting them. we'll always be able to confront them, but this time is different, and i think that the american people are realizing on how radical they actually are. you know, when you see the polls in most people in america support on what we're trying to do, even nra members, so that this time is differe
show moderation you get your nra badge ripped off you. agree to any rule on gun safety and you're marked as a traitor for life. today some of the top people in the republican party, the people to watch, marco rubio, rand paul, ted cruz are right out there front in opposing president obama on gun safety. so what happened? why is the gop, the party of guns over people? our guests are congresswoman carolyn mccarthy, a democrat of new york, and cynthia tucker, a pulitzer prize winning columnist....
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. >> you know i hope what happens, had he testifies in the committee tomorrow is that the nra presses him on the second amendment. does that mean that citizens should be able to have massive fire power to fight a future government. they would lose credibility with their own base. there is a real dangerous current fed on the internet and youtube, of people talking very threatening violent language about what would happen if congress were to impose an assault-weapons ban, and other gun control measures like that father outline, which was quite well said. and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the newtown shootings and gabrielle giffords shootings somehow were staged. he needs to be challenged on those issues. >> well, we'll see if he is up to that challenge tomorrow, thank you for joining me tonight, frank. >>> the reckoning. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this, the reckoning. put up or shut up, d-day. in a shat
. >> you know i hope what happens, had he testifies in the committee tomorrow is that the nra presses him on the second amendment. does that mean that citizens should be able to have massive fire power to fight a future government. they would lose credibility with their own base. there is a real dangerous current fed on the internet and youtube, of people talking very threatening violent language about what would happen if congress were to impose an assault-weapons ban, and other gun...
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the nra it diminishes their own power. there is not, has not and will not be a proposal to take away anyone's guns or to prevent any wrongful purchase. there obviously are going to be some changes proposed that's different than taking away your gun, but clearly, the nra hopes that that kind of fearmongering will help them influence what eventually comes out of the white house and and i'm sure it will be opposed to the nra and bringing them to the white house for the meeting is an attempt to talk to them and hear their input and it's not better than not having them in at all. >> molly, when lynn brings up fearmongering, the nra is saying that it has gained about 100,000 new members. a lot of people have been giving reports through december whether it's from christmas or not, but gun sales went up. all of this talk has been basically a big gun commercial for people to buy another weapon or load up on magazine clips that they can use at their leisure. do you think that the numbers are true? that we can fact-check the nra on t
the nra it diminishes their own power. there is not, has not and will not be a proposal to take away anyone's guns or to prevent any wrongful purchase. there obviously are going to be some changes proposed that's different than taking away your gun, but clearly, the nra hopes that that kind of fearmongering will help them influence what eventually comes out of the white house and and i'm sure it will be opposed to the nra and bringing them to the white house for the meeting is an attempt to...
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basically we're dealing with the nra that is trying to scare the members of congress. that's been for years. many of them have said to me they would love to vote where me, but they don't want to lose their election with b it. we have to show them the american people will stand behind them, their constituents will stand behind them. >> good luck with the march today. democrats link first in the filibuster fight. the politico briefing next right here on "andrea mitchell reports." twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. who emailed it to emily, who sent it to cindy, who wondered w
basically we're dealing with the nra that is trying to scare the members of congress. that's been for years. many of them have said to me they would love to vote where me, but they don't want to lose their election with b it. we have to show them the american people will stand behind them, their constituents will stand behind them. >> good luck with the march today. democrats link first in the filibuster fight. the politico briefing next right here on "andrea mitchell reports."...
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this shows just i think how extreme and outrageous the nra and i assume the hecklers were nra moles, how they've become. you consider that in the context of the other absurd statements they have made about martin luther king and the civil rights movement going after the president's children. contrast that with what the president is doing which you mentioned in the setup piece, which is meeting with law enforcement, and if you take a look back at what happened in 1994, the principal strategy of those who wanted to pass the assault weapons ban was to get with law enforcement. if you were for common sense gun regulations you were for getting tough on crime. if you were against them, you were weak on crime. that got a number of votes from the republican party. the president clearly occupying the political center with law enforcement, parents, teachers, community leaders. the nra and some elements of the republican party associating themselves with people that would desecrate the memory of the victims in newtown, people that would then try to, as "the new york times" exposed yesterday, ma
this shows just i think how extreme and outrageous the nra and i assume the hecklers were nra moles, how they've become. you consider that in the context of the other absurd statements they have made about martin luther king and the civil rights movement going after the president's children. contrast that with what the president is doing which you mentioned in the setup piece, which is meeting with law enforcement, and if you take a look back at what happened in 1994, the principal strategy of...
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and the nra, so for him it's a tricky situation. i think it's going to be -- you've asked debbie wasserman-shultz, does her voice resonate. of course it does emotional. i was there when she got a standing ovation and hugged the president, but it's going to be a tough road to ho. i think you'll see folks say, let's have a smaller piece of legislation that might be more acceptable to conservatives who don't want to go too far. the universal background checks is the most likely and the bigger issues enjoy almost 90% in public polling but the bigger issue will be harder to achieve. >> the nra is talking about what they feel is the obvious choice in all of this, it's not more gun regulation, it's enforcing laws we have on the books and evaluating mental health and the fact they think more schools to avoid school shootings need more armed security. the nra statistics since the newtown shooting, 4.5 million people current membership, they report a 400,000 surge in membership, 8,000 a day week after the shooting. ben, when you look at those
and the nra, so for him it's a tricky situation. i think it's going to be -- you've asked debbie wasserman-shultz, does her voice resonate. of course it does emotional. i was there when she got a standing ovation and hugged the president, but it's going to be a tough road to ho. i think you'll see folks say, let's have a smaller piece of legislation that might be more acceptable to conservatives who don't want to go too far. the universal background checks is the most likely and the bigger...
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americans as well, what about the gun issue and the attempts, dianne feinstein is just getting hit by the nra for her leadership on this issue. what can the urban league do to help push along the gun lawed agenda? >> the gun manufacturers lobby and their allies will attack anyone who seeks -- to impose commonsense gun legislation, and i think we have to change -- make sure that the discussion is not about a lobby group in washington that it is a discussion about the children. it's a discussion about the victims. whether they be the awful tragedy in aurora or newtown or if it's downtown chicago or if it's east side of detroit or new orleans or baltimore, thb about the victims and the children, and what makes good sense in the 21st century, so i applaud the president, senator feinstein. we support what they're doing. we think there ought to be particular emphasis on prevention measures and on mental health interventions, and we think that that should not get lost in the discussion as we move forward. >> thank you very much. you heading back home for the super bowl? >> you know, i'm trying to fi
americans as well, what about the gun issue and the attempts, dianne feinstein is just getting hit by the nra for her leadership on this issue. what can the urban league do to help push along the gun lawed agenda? >> the gun manufacturers lobby and their allies will attack anyone who seeks -- to impose commonsense gun legislation, and i think we have to change -- make sure that the discussion is not about a lobby group in washington that it is a discussion about the children. it's a...
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the nra says reducing high capacity magazines would also fail. so what do you expect could be done to address the issue of gun violence in america? >> well, just because things appear to be hard, doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to do them. and as you pointed out at the start of the show, martin, i think the american people have the memory of these children is permanently seared in everyone's memory, and the fierce urgency of now in taking action is upon this congress. that, of course, has caused the lobbies to act and repel against it, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue to put forward common sense, practical legislation. mike thompson, who has been designated by nancy pelosi in our caucus to head up a special task force, has been holding hearings, and i think what's gripping the country is that there are common sense, practical solutions. and standing behind that is the resolve of a president, our president, who i was fortunate to fly to connecticut with. when he came out and spoke, he said this was the worst day of my presidency, a
the nra says reducing high capacity magazines would also fail. so what do you expect could be done to address the issue of gun violence in america? >> well, just because things appear to be hard, doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to do them. and as you pointed out at the start of the show, martin, i think the american people have the memory of these children is permanently seared in everyone's memory, and the fierce urgency of now in taking action is upon this congress. that, of course,...
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you know, when the nra -- >> do you think that was written before the meeting? >> i think you can find that statement from the files from years past. >> yes. >> when they say you're taking our gun it's away from us, get your cold dead fingers off them, it's not just true about guns, restrictions on magazines, the type of bullets. they have opposed and fought every sensible measure. the only way this succeeds is over the body of the nra. >> all the solutions they propose happen to increase gun sales. all of their solutions are about finding ways to get more guns into the hands of-mile-an-hour people and this new little industry that's popping up which is training people to be a first responder in the classroom or a nurse first responder. all of that is an industry and the nra benefits. >> if you're a nurse, you can shoot and then you can treat. >> indeed. you have two hands. >> of course. david corn, joy r50ed, thank you both so much. >>> coming up, will the man with the illegible signature get tough on wall street? stay with us. >> jack assures me he is going to
you know, when the nra -- >> do you think that was written before the meeting? >> i think you can find that statement from the files from years past. >> yes. >> when they say you're taking our gun it's away from us, get your cold dead fingers off them, it's not just true about guns, restrictions on magazines, the type of bullets. they have opposed and fought every sensible measure. the only way this succeeds is over the body of the nra. >> all the solutions they...
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why would the nra be for people lying on their background checks? >> they should be supportive of that. >> and this other one, research on gun violence. i don't know what research scares anybody. this one, limits on guns imported from overseas. i mean, is that something the president can do by executive order? i don't know. >> i'm not sure either. >> what about this -- this is a good one. sharing of mental health records. this is an aclu question. this comes from the other end politically, right, michael? >> absolutely right. >> you might find people on what we call the political left -- >> who have a problem. >> we don't want the word out with everybody with an emotional -- every time you go to a psychiatrist and you have a problem, do you really want that to be -- do you want to be put on a list? >> chris -- >> for purposes of checking to see whether you're gun eligible, that becomes an issue. >> are these only court-ordered situations, governor? >> yeah. >> when they say put a database -- only people with court ordered action. >> the one thing th
why would the nra be for people lying on their background checks? >> they should be supportive of that. >> and this other one, research on gun violence. i don't know what research scares anybody. this one, limits on guns imported from overseas. i mean, is that something the president can do by executive order? i don't know. >> i'm not sure either. >> what about this -- this is a good one. sharing of mental health records. this is an aclu question. this comes from the...
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so, what is your bhej to the nra, does the gaming industry have a message to the nra? >> our message to the nra is the same as the message to everyone. look at the science. the supreme court looked at all the science when the forces of sentence s -- censorship wanted to ban the games and it was roundly rejected. there's no evidence that violent video games cause violence and there's good evidence, good research coming out now that video games even violent video games have benefits. helping to reduce aggression. when people are feeling stressed and angry and they play a video game that has violence in it, they often come out feeling less stressed and angry afterwards. and violent video games are only sold to adults, children cannot buy them, adults can buy them and play them themselves. >> daniel, thank you for taking time out for me, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> absolutely. ach began president, has returned home. and the earth guesting hotter, this year maerked the hottest year on record, how do we analyze this? we will talk about that next. you are watching msnbc
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the nra is opposed to this. the nra is wildly opposed to this. in tucson top, anniversary of the massacre there, the nra has come outraging against the tucson gun buyback program. they're trying to stop it. an nra board member is threatening that the nra will sue to stop tucson from destroying the guns that they handed over. the guns, regardless what their owners wanted, done with them, those guns must be sold to the highest bidder and put back into circulation. the nra says the state must not destroy the weapons that people handed over specifically so the weapons could be destroyed. instead, the nra says the state has to sell them, keep them in circulation, and thereby become a gun dealer itself. when your response to the political cliche of low-hanging fruit is something so cartoonishly insensitive, so cartoonishly villainous, you then bring upon us a second political cliche. you have jumped the shark. blocking voluntary efforts by people to get rid of their own guns because they want to voluntarily? that is an exercise in shark jumping. this i
the nra is opposed to this. the nra is wildly opposed to this. in tucson top, anniversary of the massacre there, the nra has come outraging against the tucson gun buyback program. they're trying to stop it. an nra board member is threatening that the nra will sue to stop tucson from destroying the guns that they handed over. the guns, regardless what their owners wanted, done with them, those guns must be sold to the highest bidder and put back into circulation. the nra says the state must not...
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he obviously is, you know, very strong supporter of the nra. and, you know, guns and the role of guns in west virginia is different than, let's say, some other parts of the country but all that being said i think he looks at it in terms of what can we do that is reasonable and can pass. i think from -- you know, his style is to work with republicans and democrats to kind of try to come up with common sense reforms. the difficulty said in terms of doing that is you have kind of three forces. you have one force that doesn't want to do anything. you have i think one force on the other side that wants to do a lot. and then the middle is what is that compromise? what is that reasonable thing that can pass? that's where it gets really difficult. >> absolutely. and we know the emotions involved and we have watched hearings, for example, in connecticut with the family members of children who were killed and spouses who were killed and the newtown massacre. you know, you have the president talking about chicago and today rahm emanuel, the mayor of chica
he obviously is, you know, very strong supporter of the nra. and, you know, guns and the role of guns in west virginia is different than, let's say, some other parts of the country but all that being said i think he looks at it in terms of what can we do that is reasonable and can pass. i think from -- you know, his style is to work with republicans and democrats to kind of try to come up with common sense reforms. the difficulty said in terms of doing that is you have kind of three forces. you...
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until now, he's been fighting a weak enemy because there's no money or force of the nra. one of the group's vice president's task force will meet with this week and now rising to fight the nra and led by gabby giffords and husband mark kelly who sat down with diane sawyer. >> i have a gun. we're both gun owners. we are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment but we have to do something to keep the guns from getting in to the wrong hands. >> when it can happen to children in the classroom, it's time to say -- >> enough. >> giffords is a former legislat legislator, makes her perfectly poised to lead a new pac and new legislation from the president to sport and including background checks for every gun, banning -- every gun buyer and magazines and making gun trafficking laws national. but will any of that pass and make a difference? let's spin. i welcome gabby giffords in to the fight because they're so decimated. there's billions of dollars to be made in gun rights and nothing to be made in gun control. i like the white house's first step and this may get watered down as we
until now, he's been fighting a weak enemy because there's no money or force of the nra. one of the group's vice president's task force will meet with this week and now rising to fight the nra and led by gabby giffords and husband mark kelly who sat down with diane sawyer. >> i have a gun. we're both gun owners. we are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment but we have to do something to keep the guns from getting in to the wrong hands. >> when it can happen to children in the...
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the nra feels very, very strongly. gun owners feel very, very strongly. the same time, the american people are concern about the kinds of things that are happening in our society. surely, we can't get the whole ball of wax, i hope that there will be a way to find something in this continuum of things we can do that we are able to do to demonstrate to the american people that this problem is being taken seriously. >> general powell, we will leave it there >> thank you, david. >>> we will goal go inside the fights that dominate washington, not just over the president's cabinet but spending cuts and policy issues, like the war in afghanistan and new gun control legislation. our roundtable is here to help break it all down. democratic mayor of newark, corey beaker, former republican governor of mississippi you haley barbour, republican strategist mike murphy and our own chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, up next, after this short break. stress sweat. it's different than ordinary sweat. it smells worse, and it can happen any time -- to anyon
the nra feels very, very strongly. gun owners feel very, very strongly. the same time, the american people are concern about the kinds of things that are happening in our society. surely, we can't get the whole ball of wax, i hope that there will be a way to find something in this continuum of things we can do that we are able to do to demonstrate to the american people that this problem is being taken seriously. >> general powell, we will leave it there >> thank you, david....
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from the debt careering to the nra, to the neocons. the president is sticking it to his opponents and he's winning. >>> and the house of representatives is voting on a relief package for the victims of superstorm sandy. will republicans stand up to help those hit by the form. >>> let me finish with a republican party that's beginning to sound and look like a pack of moon shiners. they don't like those revenuers. this is "hardball," the place for politics. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive. relief package for the victims >>> next monday president obama will be sworn into office for his second presidential term, and we continue our look back at great inaugural moments. here is the first
from the debt careering to the nra, to the neocons. the president is sticking it to his opponents and he's winning. >>> and the house of representatives is voting on a relief package for the victims of superstorm sandy. will republicans stand up to help those hit by the form. >>> let me finish with a republican party that's beginning to sound and look like a pack of moon shiners. they don't like those revenuers. this is "hardball," the place for politics. are you...
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his critics, and slur the nra. >> our special guest, susan o z eisenhower taking on the web ad about the obama daughters. >>> and surprise, even bo obama gets into the act as the first family greets unsuspecting tourists at the white house. with, in fact, a fist bump from the commander in chief. >>> and good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. a busy day here, secretary clinton final facing tough questions from senate republicans about benghazi. >> i'm glad that you're accepting responsibility. i think that ultimately with your leaving you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11, and i really mean that. had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, you did not read the cables from ambassador stevens, i would have relieved you from your post. >> well, joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell, and david sanger. welcome, all. chris, we've seen these kinds of dramas before. this one was pretty tough. of course, the house side yet to come.
his critics, and slur the nra. >> our special guest, susan o z eisenhower taking on the web ad about the obama daughters. >>> and surprise, even bo obama gets into the act as the first family greets unsuspecting tourists at the white house. with, in fact, a fist bump from the commander in chief. >>> and good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. a busy day here, secretary clinton final facing tough questions from senate republicans about benghazi. >> i'm...
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happened in aurora, what happened in tucson, what happened in knew newtown, then that unearths to the nra's benefit. what appears in the vice president's commission appears to be doing is looking at ways to mobilize the anger and frustration about what happened in newtown. >> let me ask you this quickly. i asked you earlier, the washington post, your paper's report, says that president obama wouldn't have to get congressional approval for some of the measures. "possibilities include changes in federal mental health programs and modernization of gun trafficking efforts by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. >> right. and so, you know, again, these are recommend daxs that we're hearing about from a commission that isn't exactly holding public hearings. i think what we need to do is wait and see what they propose. and then, also, how they propose the president is able to do these things. i think the question will be how? what's the legal basis for the president to do the sings that they say they can do on his own. >> well, we'll be watching. jonathan, thank you so much for
happened in aurora, what happened in tucson, what happened in knew newtown, then that unearths to the nra's benefit. what appears in the vice president's commission appears to be doing is looking at ways to mobilize the anger and frustration about what happened in newtown. >> let me ask you this quickly. i asked you earlier, the washington post, your paper's report, says that president obama wouldn't have to get congressional approval for some of the measures. "possibilities include...
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you've been talking to members of the nra? >> his strategy is to make sure that he is being inclusive. this is going to move very quickly. the vice president saying earlier today that is he going to give his recommendations to president obama by tuesday so, he wants to be able to argue that he has listened to everyone, and they're really doing that. three meetings at the white house today, including one with the nra and five other shooting support groups. earlier today the vice president met with ducks unlimited and some other sort of water fowl outdoor sports groups, and later today the attorney general is meeting with retailers, including cabella's, wal-mart, and some others. they're all trying to get their ideas. we're told that in this most sensitive meeting, this one at 1:45 that includes the national rifle association, vice president biden is really going to push them to participate to say we need to try and find some area for common ground, for compromise. we're not going to et let you just come in here and give us your
you've been talking to members of the nra? >> his strategy is to make sure that he is being inclusive. this is going to move very quickly. the vice president saying earlier today that is he going to give his recommendations to president obama by tuesday so, he wants to be able to argue that he has listened to everyone, and they're really doing that. three meetings at the white house today, including one with the nra and five other shooting support groups. earlier today the vice president...
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is that what the nra is arguing for? it's just very frustrating, because this is a terrible phrase, there is no silver bullet when it comes to gun violence, but there are a bunch of reasonable, rational steps, and the first two i would point to are expanding background checks and dealing with the magazine questions so the 9-year-old girl might still be alive. >> and ruth and chris, the other argument that wayne lapierre made from the get go is that law-abiding citizens aren't the problem. adam lanza's mother is a law-abiding gun owner, and she continued to buy guns for her son for christmas and birthdays knowing that he had mental challenges. i mean, law-abiding citizens are part of the problem if they permit access of guns to go to people who should not have them. let's listen to just a moment of mark kelly. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we wou
is that what the nra is arguing for? it's just very frustrating, because this is a terrible phrase, there is no silver bullet when it comes to gun violence, but there are a bunch of reasonable, rational steps, and the first two i would point to are expanding background checks and dealing with the magazine questions so the 9-year-old girl might still be alive. >> and ruth and chris, the other argument that wayne lapierre made from the get go is that law-abiding citizens aren't the problem....
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the nra sticking to plan. >> absolutely. of all the groups the only one that's really been able to galvanize their base of support is the nra. everyone else seems to be fractured and in pockets. the more that those voices out there can gal vanize the people behind some movement that supports the ultimate gain -- >> i hear you. don't underestimate the newtown families. >> i agree. >> 9/11 victims' families were powerful political force. >> i agree. >> newtown families could become a very powerful force. shameless plug time. shira. >> my northwestern wildcats for winning their first bowl game in 64 years. >> if it wasn't for northwestern the big 10 -- >> i never thought anyone would say that sentence. >> how about that? >> i'm shameless plugging my husband's grandma is -- her birthday is coming up this weekend. she is an msnbc watcher. hello. >> she's probably watching right now. >> she probably is. >> hi, grandma. >> shamelessly plugging my washington redskins. i want to thank them for the thrill of a lifetime. >> will there
the nra sticking to plan. >> absolutely. of all the groups the only one that's really been able to galvanize their base of support is the nra. everyone else seems to be fractured and in pockets. the more that those voices out there can gal vanize the people behind some movement that supports the ultimate gain -- >> i hear you. don't underestimate the newtown families. >> i agree. >> 9/11 victims' families were powerful political force. >> i agree. >> newtown...
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the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-oldh adia pendleton of chicago who was fate ideally shot in what may have been a gang turf war. after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival, it all happened since then, we learned in 20
the nra's wayne lapiera pfepier we're out of time. we're going to keep this conversation up for months. you have had the experience of knowing how important it is. gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs...
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we also see the nra. they're very powerful. still powerful. and they have a lot of allies in congress, not just among the republicans, but also with some democrats. the new senator from north dakota who was out over the weekend certainly doesn't seem open to a lot of these proposals. so it's going to be a legislative challenge for the white house to push forward whatever proposals they develop and get those passed in congress. >> are there people in the house and senate who have sort of cred on both sides they think they can use. we have heard a number of gun owners, people who have ratings with the nra saying things like you don't need an assault weapon to go duck hunting. >> you know, there are some. i think we're going to see them emerge and play sort of a leadership role once these proposals are developed. the president himself is going to try to make a public relations push to generate public support out in the country for these proposals. the white house is talking with some people who are advisers to michael bloomberg, the mayor of new
we also see the nra. they're very powerful. still powerful. and they have a lot of allies in congress, not just among the republicans, but also with some democrats. the new senator from north dakota who was out over the weekend certainly doesn't seem open to a lot of these proposals. so it's going to be a legislative challenge for the white house to push forward whatever proposals they develop and get those passed in congress. >> are there people in the house and senate who have sort of...
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and i think the nra -- rachel maddow made this point the other night. it's been so long since they've had to argue this issue, they've been shocked. let's take some reasonable steps to prevent something like newtown from happening again. a lot of people including gun owners are on that side. and i think the freakout helped on the other side. when they say if i don't get what i want, i'm going to start killing people. your first reaction is whoa. >> that's why i wanted to show people when you have freakouts, you usually look freaky in doing them. >> it's a good rule. >> the nra wane lapierre said in december that school should employ armed officers. listen to this, both of you. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. we need to have every single school in america immediately deploy a protection program proven to work. and, by that, i mean armed security. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is to take the gun from him in the first place. and then he's an unarmed bad guy. there's not even logic to that. but
and i think the nra -- rachel maddow made this point the other night. it's been so long since they've had to argue this issue, they've been shocked. let's take some reasonable steps to prevent something like newtown from happening again. a lot of people including gun owners are on that side. and i think the freakout helped on the other side. when they say if i don't get what i want, i'm going to start killing people. your first reaction is whoa. >> that's why i wanted to show people when...
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i always talk to the nra as representing gun manufacturers. and i think the more people who realize this that it is really about manufacturers and not the average gun owner in america, the more people who own guns are going to say wait a minute? does the nra represent my interests or the interests of the manufacturers? and what you would like to see is more reasonable people take over the nra or start more organizations. when i was a kid, the nra was more about teaching gun safety. it was not about this hard-line political organization. i think the data from gun manufacturers really makes a point that gun owners really need a different organization. >> thank you both for your time this evening. and don't forget to tune into melissa harris-perry saturdays and sundays at 10 a.m. here on msnbc. >>> coming up, president obama's big step towardss -- plus, remember when todd legitimate rape akin said that. what are these people thinking? i guess they're not. >>> and should president obama be on mt. rushmore? it is a question getting a lot of attenti
i always talk to the nra as representing gun manufacturers. and i think the more people who realize this that it is really about manufacturers and not the average gun owner in america, the more people who own guns are going to say wait a minute? does the nra represent my interests or the interests of the manufacturers? and what you would like to see is more reasonable people take over the nra or start more organizations. when i was a kid, the nra was more about teaching gun safety. it was not...
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the baltimore city chief, james johnson, is going to testify as well as the nra, which has resisted gun control measures that have been talked about. so as this conversation moves forward, how do we continue to have a thoughtful and logical national debate on gun control and apply these solutions on curbing gun violence in major cities and smaller cities and rural ones, but as you say, with everyone not being on the same page, this really does demonstrate that this is not a one-sized fits all answer to this. >> i think, personally, what we have to do is stop calling it gun control. we're trying to control violence. and that has many different facets to it. there's mental health issues, there's databases we need access to, there's record checks that need to be done. there's reporting stolen weapons, doctors being involved, and sharing information between schools, police, mental health professionals. so we need to stop calling it a gun control debate. that's what my personal opinion is, because like i said, when people hear that, they're on one side or the other. and we shouldn't be. we s
the baltimore city chief, james johnson, is going to testify as well as the nra, which has resisted gun control measures that have been talked about. so as this conversation moves forward, how do we continue to have a thoughtful and logical national debate on gun control and apply these solutions on curbing gun violence in major cities and smaller cities and rural ones, but as you say, with everyone not being on the same page, this really does demonstrate that this is not a one-sized fits all...
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telling you between this battle between now and when we get this passed you are going to hear from the nra, and there are an awful lot of them saying that's not going to do anything. i'm saying to you at the we can save lives. >> will it be hard? for sure. we owe it to our constituents and our country to try. new york city senator, you have a bill on an anti-gun trafficking measure. tell me about whether or not you think that you can push ahead with it, where the support is, what can you tell us about it today? >> well, i have been working on this anti-trafficking measure for a while because we have such a challenge in new york. 58% of the weapons used in crimes come from out of state, and 90% are illegal. senator mark kirk and i sat down yesterday talked about our bill, and we decided we're going to introduce this bipartisan bill next week, and i think it's something that can really make a difference because we have to stop the flow of illegal guns going straight to the hands of the criminals. that will be awe great compliment to what senator fine sign and senator schumer and others are w
telling you between this battle between now and when we get this passed you are going to hear from the nra, and there are an awful lot of them saying that's not going to do anything. i'm saying to you at the we can save lives. >> will it be hard? for sure. we owe it to our constituents and our country to try. new york city senator, you have a bill on an anti-gun trafficking measure. tell me about whether or not you think that you can push ahead with it, where the support is, what can you...
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so you wonder about of this kind of vaunted nra is i think becoming no longer a vaunted nra. it's becoming somewhat more of a paper tiger than a caged tiger because these statements and this communications strategy is not winning any friends. it's losing lots of friends and that's why i think you even hear a lot of pro-nra members saying the kinds of things that the white house are talking about makts a lot of sense and it all shows up in the polling. the poll something overwhelmingly for doing the things that the vice president is talking about. >> but, dr. peterson, you have heard some of the things coming out from gun advocates and the nra. what is your reaction to this kind of rhetoric? it's sounding increasingly hallucinating. >> there's a lot of what we call trickology going on here. theer those on the right who are mouthpieces for the gun manufacturing lobby, what they have done is they've taken this sort of american notion of the second amendment and that he try to use this as a prop to actually continue to be able to sell more guns and to continue to along the lines
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why is the nra adamant about there being no new laws? >> the nra primarily wants to sell guns. they represent gun manufacturers as well as citizens and that was not in wayne lapierre's statement. they like this conflict and want to create the fear that the government is going to come after guns because it sells more guns and it has across the country. the other thing is, they are stri dentally aposed to any restriction, they keep reporting this slippery slope argument. if there were any validity, we would have confiscated every gun because we've been working this for many years and the brady bill would have been a first step. that's a silly argument. people like mitch mcconnell are stoking it. in my state he put out an e-mail that was titled, they are coming to get your guns. that's how brazen some are them are. >> let me ask you about the specifics because we were talking about wayne lapierre's statement which he released yesterday. one of the things he said, no on universal background checks. i'm wondering what you feel the mood on the hill is right now and whether you think
why is the nra adamant about there being no new laws? >> the nra primarily wants to sell guns. they represent gun manufacturers as well as citizens and that was not in wayne lapierre's statement. they like this conflict and want to create the fear that the government is going to come after guns because it sells more guns and it has across the country. the other thing is, they are stri dentally aposed to any restriction, they keep reporting this slippery slope argument. if there were any...
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nra because most of their members, 74% of the nra members feel there should be sensible gun reform. >> we had christina taylor-green's mom in the last hour talking about the efforts. she has mobilized along with her family to make sure christina was not lost in vain two years ago. i want to play what she had to say. take a listen. >> we just want sensible gun control. we want to come up with a plan where everyone is rirped to have a background check, that military style weapons do not have to be owned by the average person, and that we come up with a mental health care plan. >> as we talk about patricia what needs to be done on a federal level nationally. what has been done in your community of arizona in the last two years that makes you feel that not only that community has done something to move forward but that can be used as an example for elsewhere? >> well, unfortunately i don't think much has been done at all. our state legislator during the -- right after the shootings decided that it was appropriate to name a state gun. that seemed like a slap in the face. we have a buy ba
nra because most of their members, 74% of the nra members feel there should be sensible gun reform. >> we had christina taylor-green's mom in the last hour talking about the efforts. she has mobilized along with her family to make sure christina was not lost in vain two years ago. i want to play what she had to say. take a listen. >> we just want sensible gun control. we want to come up with a plan where everyone is rirped to have a background check, that military style weapons do...
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. >> well, the nra and the republicans who support them, this is always their strategy is basically to slow walk any gun legislation -- >> but you and i know that at the end of the year we were told that things changed. newtown changed everything and wayne lappier going out and they said that the game changed after those lives were lost so the strategy of wait won't work. >> well, is that true or not? >> yeah. >> i think we will see if the pressure keeps up or fades. i think frankly a lot of the public sentiment has faded. a lot of public pressure has faded and the longer legislators wait to about on this the longer and the degree to which the president chooses to press it, whether he chooses to make it part of the inaugural or state of the union remarks is a point, too. this is whether he has the political will to keep it on the radar. >> "the washington post" is reporting a more ambitious gun control legislation by the president. he wants the ideas before the state of the union and a part of that. i really appreciate your time. thank you for joining us. happy new year. >> thank you.
. >> well, the nra and the republicans who support them, this is always their strategy is basically to slow walk any gun legislation -- >> but you and i know that at the end of the year we were told that things changed. newtown changed everything and wayne lappier going out and they said that the game changed after those lives were lost so the strategy of wait won't work. >> well, is that true or not? >> yeah. >> i think we will see if the pressure keeps up or...
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, join the nra. so they are doing what the nra always has done, and that is drawing a very hard and firm line in the sand, very black and white terms. no shades of gray here and no budging on what they fundamentally believe is a threat to the second -- their second amendment rights. and they are, of course, going to be on the hill lobbying democrats, lobbying republicans. so far, you haven't seen any republicans break ranks with the nra. and we'll have to keep an eye on senate democrats. >> and, in fact, marco rubio, chuck, has put out a statement saying that nothing the president is proposing would have stopped the massacre at sandy hook. president obama is targeting the rights of law-abiding citizens instead of what caused the violence. that is a very strong response from someone who's talked about as a 2016 potential candidate. >> and he also accused the president of abusing his executive power in the 23 actions. when you read the 23 actions, frankly, these are very weak directives. there's not mu
, join the nra. so they are doing what the nra always has done, and that is drawing a very hard and firm line in the sand, very black and white terms. no shades of gray here and no budging on what they fundamentally believe is a threat to the second -- their second amendment rights. and they are, of course, going to be on the hill lobbying democrats, lobbying republicans. so far, you haven't seen any republicans break ranks with the nra. and we'll have to keep an eye on senate democrats....
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. >> reporter: the white house may be working for ways to work around the nra. >> plenty of time to take a look at their recommendations once they come forward. what's going to dominate washington for the next three months here is going to and spending and debt. >> reporter: president obama has promised that gun violence is an issue that he won't put off. >>> and now here's your "first look" at this dish of scrambled politics. >>> general stanley mcchris tall wris there was a quote deficit of trust over decisions about the war. he was fired in 2010 after an article in rolling stone quoted him and his staff making dismisive comments about the white house. >>> former new york governor eliot spitzer won't stay with current tv. spitzer said that their mission will be different. >>> as hillary clinton gets ready to step down from the cabinet the guessing may begin about who may play her in a movie. >>> a petition on the white house website suggest a weekly reality tv show starring the vice president. it suggested that the show could feature some of the veep's funniest moments. >>> a conservat
. >> reporter: the white house may be working for ways to work around the nra. >> plenty of time to take a look at their recommendations once they come forward. what's going to dominate washington for the next three months here is going to and spending and debt. >> reporter: president obama has promised that gun violence is an issue that he won't put off. >>> and now here's your "first look" at this dish of scrambled politics. >>> general stanley...
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i mean, the scary scenario that she let out, maybe the nra is right, maybe the movies are the problem. she didn't cite a single case that actually was like that. all of these armed intruders coming in so you need a 30-clib magazine to defend yourself. she didn't talk about a case like that. the real violence against women is usually one-on-one violence in which a woman is more likely to be killed by a gun even if it's hers than to use it to defend herself. >> the thing that struck me about the argument she was trying to make, nobody is saying that if you're a woman and you want to have a gun and go through legal procedures you can't have a gun. that's not -- she was trying to make an argument, sort of a fake argument. doesn't really exist. i guess she's suggesting thea r-15 is one that women specifically need because ths big around scary. >> nobody is talking about taking away, confiscating, or banning handguns. >> or saying you can't get a gun legally. >> what people are saying is does that woman in the scenario she's describing need to be able to empty 100-round clip into this suppo
i mean, the scary scenario that she let out, maybe the nra is right, maybe the movies are the problem. she didn't cite a single case that actually was like that. all of these armed intruders coming in so you need a 30-clib magazine to defend yourself. she didn't talk about a case like that. the real violence against women is usually one-on-one violence in which a woman is more likely to be killed by a gun even if it's hers than to use it to defend herself. >> the thing that struck me...